Tarrasque vs Tiamat
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#1 Jan 4, 2022
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which is a better boss?
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#2 Jan 4, 2022
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as written, Tiamat is far more dangerous and deadly.
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#3 Jan 4, 2022
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Tiamat can fly, regenerate her health, and has multiple area attacks in addition to three additional damage immunities over the Tarrasque.
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Tarrasque : A gargantuan enormous monster, with High AC and extra inmunities.
Tiamat : A Gargantuan enoromus monster, with High AC and other elses.So, as I took a further investigation in both monsters, aka known as Demi-Bosses, the only difference between both I see is Tarrasque dosen't have an own alignment, nor a pre-deter one, which it means..................... the chance to "PET"" it ( aka known by the Pokemon gamers as to TAME IT ) goes a bit funny here. I mean, I know both of them have a High resistance in being charmed, and both have a high resistance in being frightened, but I realised one of them have a low INT while the other one have a high INT.
So, the conclusions of this are few but, the probabilities to TAME at least 1 of them are................. buffffff.... I cannot count how many there are.... hahahaha.
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This is not a particularly serious response but Tiamat strikes me as the more dangerous as she isn't incapacitated by a dozen Intellect Devourers....now a Tarrasque having been incpacitated by said Intellect Devourers and then 'tweaked' by Mind Flayers and controlled by an Elder Brain could be a terror to behold.
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#6 Jan 4, 2022
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now a Tarrasque having been incpacitated by said Intellect Devourers and then 'tweaked' by Mind Flayers and controlled by an Elder Brain could be a terror to behold.
Thats a great idea, im gonna have to save that for a future campaign.
And in answer to the general question, Tiamat, especially with the new statblock from Fizban's.
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Tiamat has a 26 int and wis, the tarrasque has a 3 and 11. Tiamat has plans that go well beyond what a mortal could comprehend. She’s much more dangerous than the tarrasque, which is just crush, kill, destroy.
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Tarrasque is basically a big HP pool that could be defeated using only patience and clay golem... I'm rather new to DND but I'm certain this isn't the case for Tiamat!
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One word:Flight
If the two fought, Tiamat would win, Why? Flight, the tarrasque can't hit it.
Plus tiamat is smart and has breath weapons.
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What sort of challenge are you talking about? If by boss, you mean a final combat encounter, I mean the Tarrasque is set up to be slain by PCs who know what they're doing, so could be a good trophy at the end of a game, I mean maybe there are even some adventures where that happens out in the published world.
If by "boss" you mean someone orchestrating something much larger and world changing the PCs are trying to stop, well Tiamat has whole cults across the multiverse, a whole own dedicated flavor of Devil/Fiend (in five colors) too, chromatic dragon consorts, some side deal with the Githyanki ... as pointed out in the INT/WIS discussion, if you want an actual "mastermind" at the end of the campaign, Tiamat is the way to go. Also Tiamat's full capacity has never been officially statted in 5e (being something of a god). The two iterations of Tiamat in 5e are "aspects" of her, which can be used to scale her as suitable challenge for the players' level, say around level 15, and then make her bigger and badder for the lvl 20 final showdown.
Long and short of it, Tarrasque is probably a good smack down opponent for a one shot; but if you're putting Tiamat in the ring just for a one time fight, I think you're using her wrong.
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The Tarrasque is almost immune to spells and can even bounce them back while a nice sunbeam or disintegrate spell will work just fine on Tiamat
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The Tarrasque is almost immune to spells and can even bounce them back while a nice sunbeam or disintegrate spell will work just fine on Tiamat
That is true… but the Tarrasque is immune only to ranged spells, so powerful touch spells (poke its big toe?) will work fine. Tiamat can fly out of range of most spells though.
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Overall, I think Tiamat is more fun, because the Tarrasque is less dynamic: it’s just a giant meatbag that can do 4 things total.
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Do you really want the party's wizard right up with the tarrasque, and also there are not a lot of touch range spells
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If this is a question of which is a more interesting boss to fight, an intelligent monster is typically more interesting, but a beast can be more appropriate in the right situations.
That's assuming this isn't a question of who would win if they fought.
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The Tarrasque is almost immune to spells and can even bounce them back while a nice sunbeam or disintegrate spell will work just fine on Tiamat
Tiamat is immune to spells of level 6 or below. You can toss Sunbeams and Disintegrates at her all day long and they're never going to hurt her. And she's got advantage on saves against all other spells.
If this is a question of which is a more interesting boss to fight, an intelligent monster is typically more interesting, but a beast can be more appropriate in the right situations.
That's assuming this isn't a question of who would win if they fought.
The Tarrasque is incapable of harming Tiamat. Its attacks don't count as magical.
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As boss fights go, the tarrasque is terribly designed and pretty trivially defeated by a mid-level party, whereas aspect of tiamat is boring but functional.
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#19 Jun 1, 2022
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I have to agree Tiamat is just better. I can't find anything that goes for the tarrasque
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The Tarrasque is almost immune to spells and can even bounce them back while a nice sunbeam or disintegrate spell will work just fine on Tiamat
It's the exact opposite. You can just spam save or take damage spells at the Tarrasque while flying and all the Tarrasque can do is suffer (it might burn some legendary resistances initially, which is meaningless). A level 1 flying cleric can solo the Tarrasque.
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The true terror of the Tarrasque is not its stat block or abilities, nor is it its combat potential. No matter what you do, the Tarrasque won't stay dead. Even the wish spell cannot keep a Tarrasque dead for long. It will ALWAYS regenerate from the largest remaining piece of it, even if that piece is a sub-atomic particle. It may take days or weeks but it WILL regenerate. No god or magic weapon can truly kill the Tarrasque for good.
Also the Tarrasque's stomachs are the only things in the multiverse able to permanently kill gods and destroy artifacts. When you enter the Tarrasque's third stomach, you cease to exist, no magic, no divine intervention, nothing can save you or bring you back.
Tiamat, and even some CR 23+ creatures, can 1v1 crush the Tarrasque any time they fight, for the rest of eternity. But the Tarrasque only needs to win once, and they can't get rid of it.
The only thing that can permanently kill a Tarrasque, is another Tarrasque. That's why there is only one.
Also I'm pretty sure the Tarrasque doesn't care if you're immune to non-magical damage, if its stomach can erase gods and destroy MAGICAL artifacts that are typically INDESTRUCTIBLE, then there is no way you are surviving just because you're immune to non-magical damage.
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